Curse

Puddin Cheeks · Sep 18, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheHaxor

I don't know why either of you are theory crafting since you are both horrid at it. LifesRestorer is dumb for trying to theory craft in the RA thread and X Cytherea X is just dumb period.

I'm going to go with your style of theory crafting here. Let's assume you are bad for even RA standards (which is an accurate assumption based on everything I've seen). I'm going to charge my dev hammer combo, knock you down for at least 9 seconds, hit you every time because your team is bad LoL, kill you, and then ask you how my ass tastes.

Sweet! I just gave you a specific scenario, used some words, and made a lot of assumptions on the theoretical intelligence of the user/team I am playing against and chance aspects of the game. Da best minds in da wurld aint gawt shit on me yo

lol
/facepalm
12char.

Kyp Jade · Sep 18, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheHaxor

I don't know why either of you are theory crafting since you are both horrid at it. LifesRestorer is dumb for trying to theory craft in the RA thread and X Cytherea X is just dumb period.

I'm going to go with your style of theory crafting here. Let's assume you are bad for even RA standards (which is an accurate assumption based on everything I've seen). I'm going to charge my dev hammer combo, knock you down for at least 9 seconds, hit you every time because your team is bad LoL, kill you, and then ask you how my ass tastes.

Sweet! I just gave you a specific scenario, used some words, and made a lot of assumptions on the theoretical intelligence of the user/team I am playing against and chance aspects of the game. Da best minds in da wurld aint gawt shit on me yo

/vote win thread

Puddin Cheeks · Sep 18, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

@ X cytherea X

That is funny you went back and edit posted a later argument i targeted at you. You must think you are the most leet player GW has ever seen. Do you really think that a healer is going to be standing right beside the person he is protting. I stand around and watch nubs like you run and swing at people all day. Once again, you probably wonder why you rarely if ever get 10 win streaks and aren't aware its because you suck at Sin building.

For you buddy.

.defekt · Sep 18, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

vote seconded

Sun Fired Blank · Sep 18, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

I like the big damage on Heavy Blow, and I like the extra KD from Iron Palm, but sometimes [Draw Conditions] and [Foul Feast] really suck. I think Palm's still worth taking anyways; if I lose the KD on the palm, not a huge deal. But if I lose the KD on the Heavy, things don't die, and I think the KD from Hammer Bash under all circumstances is probably a stronger choice than the KD and extra damage from Heavy Blow in many circumstances.

Moebius can be hugely dangerous in arenas; you absolutely have to respect any template that can pump up to 5,000 damage per minute, but I wouldn't be afraid of those particular Moebius bars, even though the moebius KD cycle on bad players is kind of annoying.

In general when I run Moebius my bar looks something like this:

[Leaping Mantis Sting][Wild Strike][Death Blossom][Moebius Strike][Flail][Rush][Critical Defenses][Resurrection Signet]

As bad as players can be in RA, they're rarely so bad as to justify not bring a res signet. :\

Lest121 · Sep 18, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

With all the Defensive skills caster bring in RA today the standard old [Golden Fox Strike] [Wild Strike] [Death Blossom] or [Nine Tail Strike] can put some heaving annoying pressure on a monk, it's not new or original but it gets the job done, some of the other assassin builds are better but they can be stopped easily.

Seraphim of Chaos · Sep 18, 2008, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

[Meditation]
[Imbue Health] +275 health most of the time and
[Zealous Benediction] +150 health =

425 someone gets to fight again just make sure you use ZB first to get the energy from it.
[Reversal of Fortune]= when you get attacked Blue bar goes up up up. Pets and Spirits are fun to use for building energy back.
[Guardian]
[Dismiss Condition]
[Resurrection Signet]or hard res if you so desire

Looks like a monk except without DF and 15 in a rather useless skill. Whoa ho, I can negate up to 60ish damage for free! :O :O :O

Puddin Cheeks · Sep 19, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Seraphim of Chaos

Looks like a monk except without DF and 15 in a rather useless skill. Whoa ho, I can negate up to 60ish damage for free! :O :O :O

Yeah once you get the hang of the energy timing, it becomes quite versatile at saving peeps and your own but. The free reversals are awesome, that is why i try to get targeted by an enemy spirit and it actually feeds me health and energy the whole round.

When you would have taken 60 damage but actually you gained 60, that would be considered 120 free health, plus the 15 health from mysticism.

Divine Xan · Sep 19, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

First time I saw a (proper, if you can call it that) scythe warrior was on observe by Nihil in KMD a little after the update, saw the bar and though damn that would be nice in ra, tried it, and it works pretty damn well.

I know huntingtonm, has posted one but sadly i cant quote for some reason (or go to advanced posting, thank you new firefox >.>), anyways here it is.

[Pious Assault][Crippling Victory][Bulls Strike][Wild Blow][Burst of Aggression][Warriors Endurance][Protectors Strike][Resurrection Signet]

+'s are
Wild Blow shits on most stance monks in ra, and other stances about e.g. escape
Still has DW
Strength bonus
Prot Strike pumps out DPS... with the ability to use frequently
IAS
Cripple
AoE... I know that sounds pathetic but in ra.. if you have a monk and you vs 2+ psyicals (*sp) they often camp your monk so its useful lol.
No reliance on adrenaline

-'s are
No IMS, which can get annoying
If you die your energy is pretty bad espicially if you recently used Warriors endurance.
1 knock down... dunno if that annoys people but can do for me when im so used to playing hammer in ra...
12 sec recharge on pious?

...and before people say shield bash... 90% of people in ra cant use correctly so it is rarely a problem. Also thought about ditching crippling victory or rend touch or power attack but ah well your own choice, buts the builds still fun and a break from conventional warriors.

Reverend Dr · Sep 19, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Lets stop talking about bad assassin builds and start talking about bad Dervish prot builds.

[build prof=d/mo mys=10+1+1 earthp=10+1 prot=11][pious renewal][signet of pious light][reversal of fortune][imbue health][dismiss condition][spirit bond][guardian][holy veil][/build]

There are more self heals in the build than appear initially and there is significanly more energy than if playing as monk. Signets are practically free whenever you need them, so long as you maintain pious and another enchant on yourself. Be very liberal with Spirit Bond, so many people in RA love big numbers, and you have the energy to send it around. Other than keeping up Pious and whatever is in slot #3 on yourself everything else is streightforward.

[reversal of fortune],[armor of sanctity],[vital boon] in that one slot. Reveral is the most versitile, but most difficult to use across from Signet. Armor usually works out to be the best for self survival. Vital provides a larger self heal and works well if you...

[imbue health],[infuse health] Imbue looks better on paper, but the recharge can be a pain sometimes. Infuse has no recharge other than recovering from the half health loss.

Puddin Cheeks · Sep 20, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Lets stop talking about bad assassin builds and start talking about bad Dervish prot builds.

[build prof=d/mo mys=10+1+1 earthp=10+1 prot=11][pious renewal][signet of pious light][reversal of fortune][imbue health][dismiss condition][spirit bond][guardian][holy veil][/build]

There are more self heals in the build than appear initially and there is significantly more energy than if playing as monk. Signets are practically free whenever you need them, so long as you maintain pious and another enchant on yourself. Be very liberal with Spirit Bond, so many people in RA love big numbers, and you have the energy to send it around. Other than keeping up Pious and whatever is in slot #3 on yourself everything else is streightforward.

[reversal of fortune],[armor of sanctity],[vital boon] in that one slot. Reveral is the most versitile, but most difficult to use across from Signet. Armor usually works out to be the best for self survival. Vital provides a larger self heal and works well if you...

[imbue health],[infuse health] Imbue looks better on paper, but the recharge can be a pain sometimes. Infuse has no recharge other than recovering from the half health loss.

Your build is why D/Mo have a bad rep, you don't really heal your team at all other than some little negated damage and some crafty healing. So you basically stand there and stay alive the whole round and do no damage while your team dies cause you can't keep up with the DPS from the other team. You should really give the build I posted a try.

Reverend Dr · Sep 20, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Don't get me wrong, this is inferior to a standard mo/w, so is the one you posted.

There is more red bar up in this build than you want to admit. Especially if you run it with vital boon and infuse health.

There is not that much difference at all between what you posted and what I posted. You bash imbue health, but bring it yourself, you bash the same prot skills that are on your bar. The only real difference is ZB, which is good, but not nearly as good as it used to be. 150 swing is great don't get me wrong, but its certainly easy enough to get off two sigs during the 4 second recharge on ZB. Your build feels like a gimped ZB monk, at least mine feels different.

I am saying these are both inferior to a normal monk build, but they are both different and still effective with RA (for whatever 'effective in RA' is worth).

distilledwill · Sep 22, 2008, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by huntingtonm

I was wondering if anyone has a para-axe build? I guess it would use Soldiers Fury and Can't touch this or something...could someone post, pvx wiki is hopeless and more fail due to a roll back.

Tanks a Million/

Ok, here goes:

[Dismember][Executioner's Strike][Agonizing Chop][Bull's Strike]["Lead The Way!"][Soldier's Fury]["Go For The Eyes!"][Resurrection Signet]

Constant:
+33% Attack Increase
+25% Speed Increase
+33% Adrenaline Increase

Shame paras hold axes like idiots.

huntingtonm · Sep 22, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

Ok, here goes:

[Dismember][Executioner's Strike][Agonizing Chop][Bull's Strike]["Lead The Way!"][Soldier's Fury]["Go For The Eyes!"][Resurrection Signet]

Thanks Will, some thoughts of mine on it... Lead the Way is clearly superior to Can't touch this for functionality, but its not guranteed + a higher cost...i guess G4tEyes is in as E-managment as well?

I wonder would it be possible to swap G4tEyes for either spear swipe (weapon swap hassles) or Awe, which would synergise with bulls strike?

Well at work at the mo so can't test this out till i get home but appreciate your input and help!

distilledwill · Sep 22, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by huntingtonm

Thanks Will, some thoughts of mine on it... Lead the Way is clearly superior to Can't touch this for functionality, but its not guranteed + a higher cost...i guess G4tEyes is in as E-managment as well?

I wonder would it be possible to swap G4tEyes for either spear swipe (weapon swap hassles) or Awe, which would synergise with bulls strike?

Well at work at the mo so can't test this out till i get home but appreciate your input and help!

Spear Swipe!! Thankyou! I knew there was a skill that was supposed to be in the place of Bulls. Make sure you take a silencing spear

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Lead the way is a little bit more expensive than CTt, but its a lot more useful. As long as 2/3 of your allies are alive then its maintainable.

Im also at work so I can't test this atm! But last time I ran it it was pretty fun. It's also useful with swords using [Barborous Slice][Gash][Sun and Moon Slash] instead of the axe combo, this benefits from the fact that you dont use a stance.

Tyla · Sep 22, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I'd sub out Agonizing for Spear Swipe, to be honest.

Think about it. Daze. Bull's Strike. IAS and IMS AND ADRENALINE INCREASE OBABY!

Lord Natural · Sep 23, 2008, 01:23 AM // 01:23

You'll still need gfte. Been playing around with a soldier's build recently and I've found it necessary for maintaining energy.

Krill · Sep 23, 2008, 03:39 AM // 03:39

Or you can just totally forget about lead the way and use rush in an axe build.

[build=OQGigySMFV4UAVIK+T0uRvJAA]

Since the gwbbcode doesn't seem to be working it's:

12 Axe
14 Leadership

Dismember
Axe Rake
Executioner's Strike
Spear Swipe
Rush
Soldier's Fury
Can't Touch This! (cheap shout to fulfill fury)
Rez Sig

I tried this earlier and it works ok, pretty good for dazing a necro or mes and pounding on them.

A Leprechaun · Sep 23, 2008, 09:57 AM // 09:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by arienrhode

Or you can just totally forget about lead the way and use rush in an axe build.

[build=OQGigySMFV4UAVIK+T0uRvJAA]

Since the gwbbcode doesn't seem to be working it's:

12 Axe
14 Leadership

Dismember
Axe Rake
Executioner's Strike
Spear Swipe
Rush
Soldier's Fury
Can't Touch This! (cheap shout to fulfill fury)
Rez Sig

I tried this earlier and it works ok, pretty good for dazing a necro or mes and pounding on them.

Would Bulls Strike not be a better choice than Axe Rake?

~A Leprechaun~

*edit* Unless of course you are running into energy issues.

huntingtonm · Sep 23, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Have always found weapon swap to be a little clunky with spear swipe, though Backbreaker sins prove it can be done, also the para-axe build fails horribly against stances. Was wondering if a P/W would be better with a hammer - something like :

Soldiers Fury
Can't Touch this
Rush
Irresistible Blow or Bulls Strike
Awe
Pulv Smash
Overbearing Smash
Res Sig

Hammer bash would be ideal but screws any adrenal spike delivery. Plus i imagine energy would be a bit short with more energy based attack skills.

Thoughts?